Generic Bread Machine Instructions
If you are looking for the manual to your bread machine please visit our Archive of Bread Machine Manuals.
These instructions were written for people that may have
just bought or had been given a used bread machine and they
didn’t get the instruction booklet. It is also for those
that have misplaced theirs. Through our testing we have found
the instructions below to be reliable for dozens of different
brands and types of bread machines. However, we make no guarantees.
You may need to make some minor adjustments. These instructions
are being provided as a starting point.
Step 1:
Gather all of the machines parts. You should have the following…
- The machine itself
- The baking pan
- The kneading blade(s) or paddle(s).
- The Dough Pin (on some older Zojirushi
machines there is also a pin that slips into a hole in
the side of the pan. If you have this type of machine you
will need the pin also.) - Rubber gasket (some older machines like
the DAK have a rubber type washer that seals the bottom
of the pan; these are very old machines and quite rare.)
Step 2:
Before you start throwing things in your machines pan, you
need to know if you have a sealed or unsealed pan. On some
older machines when the pan is removed from the machine there
is a hole in the bottom of the pan where the mixing shaft
was. Basically, it will not hold water or much else when
the pan is removed from the machine. If this is what you
have, you have an unsealed pan.
All modern machines on the market have a sealed pan. When
removed from the machine, it will hold water with the mixing
shaft being part of the pan. With an unsealed pan you have
three things you need to remember.
- You may need to use a rubber type washer when you insert
the pan in the machine and lock it in place. All of this
is so it will hold the ingredients without leaking, although
some seepage may occur. - If you purchased the machine used, then be careful.
There is a better than average chance that the rubber seal
is old and warn out. It is best to put the pan in the machine
with the rubber seal and place a small amount of water
in the pan. Let it sit for 10 or 15 minutes and then check
for any leaks. You will of course have to use a towel or
something to soak up the water in the pan before you remove
it. Also, check to make sure that the rubber seal is flexible
and isn’t cracked or worn. If it isn’t flexible or it has
cracks then you will need to find a replacement which will
be very hard to do since these machines aren’t made
any more. - You will need to add the yeast first, the dry ingredients
second and any wet/moist ingredients last. This is to lessen
the chance that the wet/moist ingredients will leak out
the bottom of the pan.
If you have an unsealed panned machine my recommendation
is to give it to Goodwill and purchase a new machine. At
places like Target, Wal-Mart and Amazon.com you can get very
nice new machines for $30 to $50. I think in the long run
you will be much happier.
On sealed pan machines you need to reverse the order of
the ingredients. The wet/moist ingredients go first, and
then the dry and finally the yeast goes on top. Whatever
machine you have, it is very important that the yeast not
become wet until the machine starts to mix the ingredients
together.
Step 3:
Now that you know if you have a sealed or unsealed pan,
you are ready to assemble the pan and kneading blade or paddle.
Most machines (at least the ones we have seen) have removable
kneading blade(s) or paddle(s). To assemble the pan, you
will need to place the kneading blade(s) or paddle(s) on
the shaft(s) in the bottom of the pan. Some machines may
have two, it doesn’t matter which goes where. For the sealed
bottom machines you can do this without inserting the pan
in the machine. If you have an unsealed pan you will need
to put the pan in the machine and then put the blade or paddle
in place. Do not forget to do this step otherwise the dough
will not mix.
NOTE: If you have a dual paddle/blade
machine it is best to put them on so that they face away
from one another. This will help ensure proper kneading of
the dough and prevent the dough from spinning around on one
of the paddles/blades.
Step 4:
You are now ready to start adding the recipe ingredients.
Until you get a feel for the machine and the look and feel
of the dough. We strongly recommend that you start by making
a few loaves of BMD White Bread. Basic white bread is the
easiest and most foolproof bread to make. It is also at this
time you will need to know what size machine you have. There
are 1 pound, 1-1/2 pound, 2 and 2-1/2 pound machines. Most
machines are 1-1/2 or 2 pound. Generally I don’t make loaves
larger than 1-1/2 pounds. Most 2-pound machines use 1-1/2
pound pans anyways.
- 1 Pound. The machines use 2 to 2-1/4 cups of bread flour,
which makes a loaf of bread that will yield about 8 slices
of bread. - 1-1/2 Pound. The machine uses 3 cups of bread flour,
which makes a loaf of bread that will yield about 12 slices
of bread. - 2 Pound. The machine can use up to 4 cups of bread flour,
which makes a loaf of bread that will yield about 16 slices
of bread. - 2-1/2 Pound. The machine can use 5 to 6 cups of bread
flour, which makes loaf of bread that will yield about
20 slices of bread.
Now lets put the ingredients in the pan.
Sealed Bottom Pans
First make sure you have the paddle(s) in place. Then place
the wet and moist ingredients in first, then the dry and
finally make a dent on the top of the dry ingredients and
place your yeast there.
Unsealed Bottom Pans
First make sure you have the paddle(s) in place. Then place
the yeast in the pan first, then the dry ingredients and
finally the wet and moist ingredients.
Step 5:
Now you need to fit the pan into the machine and lock it
in place. Some machines just snap the pan in and others require
you to put it in at an angle and then twist it into place.
If you have an unsealed pan, your pan should already be in
place. Once the pan is in place, you need to select the appropriate
cycle. Because we are making white bread you need to use
the “Basic”, or “White” cycle. You may
also have the option of selecting loaf size and crust color.
On 1-1/2 pound machines you usually have the option of 1
or 1-1/2 pound loaf sizes. On 2-pound machines you usually
have the option of 1-1/2 pound or 2-pound and some have a
1-pound option. If you have a 1-pound machine you won’t have
this option at all. For white bread I like the light crust
setting. If you are uncertain, use the default. Not all machines
have a crust setting option; these machines usually are permanently
set to medium crust color, which is fine. Now press the “Start” or “Go” button.
Depending on your machine it may start to mix right away
or it may take it from 10 to 45 minutes before it begins
to mix. If there is a delay, it means your machine has a
preheat cycle that warms the ingredients before it mixes
them. While this can be nice if it is a short 10-minute cycle,
it is a real pain if it is a long 45-minute one. On most
machines it is short, if it is not there really is anything
you can do but live with it.
Step 6:
Your machine has started to knead the ingredients. Allow
it to knead for about 10 minutes and then come back and open
the lid. It is at this time you need to check the dough.
If the dough looks slack or overly wet, you will need to
add flour. Add 1 Tbsp. of bread flour at a time, until it
forms a nice smooth ball. If the dough is dry and crumbly
you will need to add water. Add 1 Tbsp. of water at a time
until the dough forms a nice smooth ball. Once the dough
has formed a nice smooth ball there is one more test you
can put to it to make sure it is the correct consistency.
Touch the dough ball with your index finger. The dough should
be tacky like the sticky part of a Post-It Note. If when
you pull your finger away there is dough stick to it, then
the dough is too wet. If there is dough on your finger again
add 1 Tbsp. flour at a time until it passes the test. If
the dough isn’t tacky at all add 1 Tbsp. Water at a time
until it is. During this testing phase you may need to close
the lid in order for the machine to continue kneading. Also,
allow the machine to knead for a minute or so after each
flour or water addition. 1 tablespoon water or flour can
make or break the dough. But don’t let this panic you. You
will get the hang of it.
You should perform this test each time you make bread, even
when using the same recipe. The reason is that depending
on the weather and how you store your flour, it may have
more or less moisture in it. Nine times out of ten this is
not a problem, but it is good to check. Once you have confirmed
the dough feels and looks right, close the lid and wait for
the completion beep.
Step 7:
The machine has beeped and the cycle is finished. Remove
the pan from the machine as soon as possible. If the bread
sits in the machine too long, the escaping steam will cause
the crust to become soggy and I find the bread becomes tougher
too. Some machines have a cool down or keep warm function.
While this will help, it is still best to get the bread out
of the pan ASAP. Allow the pan and bread to cool for 10 minutes.
Then invert the pan and shake the bread out. Make sure and
use potholders or baking gloves, as the pan and bread will
still be hot. The 10 minutes is important it allows the crust
of the bread to soften a bit. This will make getting it out
of the pan much easier. When the bread has been removed from
the pan you will need to allow it to cool on a cooling rack
at least 20 minutes before cutting it. The bread will have
the best flavor when completely cooled. Congratulations you
have just baked your first loaf of bread.
The directions you just followed apply to all bread made
in your machine. These directions also apply to making dough.
That is if your machine has a dough or manual cycle as most
do. The only difference with dough or manual cycle is that
the machine makes the dough; you remove the dough, shape
it and then bake it in your regular oven.
A Few Tips
- If your machine doesn’t have a cycle
for a specific type of bread, use the basic or white cycle.
For example, you want to make whole wheat bread, but your
machine doesn’t have a whole wheat, wheat, grain or multigrain
cycle. Use the basic or white cycle. - There are a few exceptions to the tackiness
test for bread. For example the recipe for Sally Lunn bread
which is a very rich egg bread creates a dough that is
very wet compared to others. This is normal and for these
types of recipes you don’t want to adjust the recipe. Unless
the recipe states that the dough will be a wet one assume
that the dough must pass the tackiness test talked about
above.
How and Where can you apply oil to a Sunbeam Bread Machine. I want to maintain the machine I’ve used for a few years. I know that some flour gets down into the machine, how do I get it out or get some 10W40 into it??
Sandra Riley May 2nd, 2008 at 8:10 amFirst of all you should read this article: http://www.breadmachinedigest.com/tips/bread-machine-maintenance.php. Don’t use WD-40 to oil the machine use 3 in 1 sewing machine oil.
BMD May 2nd, 2008 at 9:31 amThe manual for the Sunbeam Breadmaker can be found at http://www.sunbeam.com/manuals/Sunbeam/005891-000-000_English.pdf.
You may be able to clean out any excess flour by using a vacuum cleaner. Try to apply the oil to the kneading shaft.
I just finish using my machine and the timer is showing zero’s but the line or still beeping over rise and complete. I am ready to make more dough, but I cant reset the timer do I have to wait a certain amount of time. I have the Breadman
Tee May 3rd, 2008 at 12:34 pmTry pressing the stop/reset button and holding it down for a full second. If your machine keeps acting up you may need to contact the manufacturer.
BMD May 3rd, 2008 at 5:52 pmAlso read our Review on the Breadman Ultimate.
I was given a Welbilt Bread oven Model ABM 60 but it did not come with a instruction booklet.Is this a 1 LB machine?Where can I get an instruction manual?
Janet May 8th, 2008 at 6:43 amIf you mean the ABM600 a great resource is located at
BMD May 9th, 2008 at 5:13 pmhttp://www.geocities.com/peruvianrock/abm600.htm
I just got a sunbeam 5891. I made my first loaf (your recipe) and it fell when it begain to bake. What cause this? Thank you,
Dennis
Dennis May 13th, 2008 at 1:04 pmLook at our Troubleshooting Chart.
BMD May 13th, 2008 at 2:47 pmThanks, i found a number things i did worng,hehehe, trying again,
Dennis
Dennis May 13th, 2008 at 3:11 pmI can’t afford another manual for my black and decker all in one deluxe automatic breadmaker b1600. I looked on the black and decker site and they have all of the manuals online but mine. do you know anywhere online that would have it so i could just print it out.
Mark May 18th, 2008 at 5:27 pmi appreciate any help. thank you.
Mark:
I too have been on the same mission as you – trying to find a manual for my B1600 Black and Decker Bread Maker. I’ll keep trying, but if you have had any luck, I’d appreciate your posting it here. Thanks! Good luck to both of us!
Sandi
Sandi May 30th, 2008 at 9:34 amI am looking for model number FAB-100-2 Bread making manuel from DAK Industries. Please let me know where I can find one. Thanks, Donna M. Barbaro
Donna Barbaro June 25th, 2008 at 3:48 pmMark and Sandi, I son’t have a black and decker bread machine but I do know of a cookbook, hopefully at your public library that may help. It is Bread Machine Baking Completely revised and updated by Lora Brody and Millie Apter, copyright 1993/1996. What they discovered is that one recipe may not work the same in a different machine so they tested all the machines out there and came up with recipes that would work in the various ones. For instance a recipe for the Black and Decker, would also work for Betty Crocker, Breadman/Trillium, Hitachi, Large Oster, Regal, Large Toastmaster, and Williams-Sonoma. There is a website that may list your owners manual. I’ll see if I can find it and let you know.
Cindy July 27th, 2008 at 8:29 amMark and Sandi, have you tried kitchen.manualsOnline.com/index.html You may have to do a search or put in a request to see if someone has the manual. I hope this helps.
Cindy July 27th, 2008 at 8:46 amI have an Oster 1488 bread machine and I lost the Manual. Do you know where I can find one, or print one out.
Leona August 27th, 2008 at 8:36 pmI find that my bread is very good the day I make it but is already stale the next day. Can I do anything about that?
danielle November 6th, 2008 at 10:12 amI had a Sanyo Model SBM 10 Bread Machine given to me but no manual. I can’t get it to work. Does anyone have the owner’s manual they could send to me? Any help you could give would be greatly appreciated. Thank you so much!!!
Pam November 9th, 2008 at 9:12 amHi, I’m looking for the user manual for a Welbilt ABM3100. Could someone please share a pdf file of it? Thank you so much.
Sherry January 22nd, 2009 at 3:13 pmI would like to know what can be substituted for powdered milk. I have been told that evaporated milk can be used but how do I measure.
Judy January 29th, 2009 at 1:55 pmHI you all. Great site Thanks . I would like to purchase a new bread maker , my old black and decker is worn out. I don’t need any thing fancy because I just use it for mixing mostly. I would appreciate any advice. Iam more interested in longevivity and service (not fancy cycles etc. I found that the B & D mixer pan wore out but not worth it to replace. Thanks for your good advice. Bill geddis
Bill Geddis February 4th, 2009 at 11:35 amI started getting half loafs bread on my Hitachi bread machine and have no results no matter what I do is something wrong with it??
Martha Mitchon April 2nd, 2009 at 2:54 pmI purchased a bread machine at a yard sale with no instructions. Does anyone have them 4 a Betty Crocker Bake It Easy 2 model # BC 1692. Thank-You.
Dorothy Clark April 19th, 2009 at 8:14 amthis is the pdf manual and cookbook for the welbuilt bread machine model # ABM6000
http://www.creativehomemaking.com/download/breadmaker_Welbilt_abm000.pdf
nancy April 25th, 2009 at 10:53 pmI am looking for part for a Regal Kithcn Pro Breadmaker Medel# K6744s/k6745s, my mother misplaced the kneading paddle..
Can anyone help??
Suzanne Lomax May 3rd, 2009 at 3:38 pmHI: I have what must be the oldest machine still working. A DAK 100 – 3. Love it and use it all the time, but need a rubber gasket. Does anyone know where I can get one to fit my machine?
V. Keefer May 16th, 2009 at 11:50 amI bought a Hitachi bread machine at a a yard sale and it works great. Model # is HB – C103 . There is no manual for it and I looked at the manual for the HB – C101 on here but they are different machines. they are the same but mine has a CAKE setting the the HB-C101 does not. my question is what is the cake setting for. Thanks for any help.
Tony May 24th, 2009 at 11:30 amIt there a manual specifically for the CITIZEN auto bakery? I just recieved it from my Aunt and she cannot find her manual.
Leslie July 20th, 2009 at 8:33 amWould you be willing to share a manual for a Sanyo automatic bread maker, model number SBM-150?
thanks.
Sue B July 27th, 2009 at 2:05 pmI am looking for a manual for my Breadman Breadmaker TR 400. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
Martha September 21st, 2009 at 12:30 pmSanyo manuals are available here – bread machines (SBM*) are on page 5-6 in the list.
Keith M October 10th, 2009 at 11:03 amPlease, Please!! I need a paddle for a Betty Crocker “Bake-It-Easy2” model BC 1692. I have spent hours looking for one. Is there any other machine paddle that will work with the model 1692? Any help will be appreciated.
Glenn A October 26th, 2009 at 2:59 pmwhat is the most convenient (and good) machine for small bread?
luisa November 19th, 2009 at 6:05 pmthanks
HI I have a citizen Auto bakery bread maker. No manual. Mod. J5740X Can anyone copy it for me, if they have one? I would happily pay postage etc.
Iceni November 30th, 2009 at 11:04 pmI have manuals for Black and Decker and Toast master if anyone is looking.
Thanks to all
I found many Black & Decker Breadmaker manuals with the manualfox search engine. See results page here:
Diane December 9th, 2009 at 1:10 amhttp://manualfox.com/link/blackdecker.htm
Does anyone know wherei can find manual for Welbilt abm100-3
regina December 17th, 2009 at 4:19 pmWHEN DO YOU REMOVE THE KNEADING PADDLE?
LORI December 29th, 2009 at 8:39 pmIF YOU DON’T REMOVE IT, IT GETS “BAKED IN” TO THE LOAF.
I have a welbilt mdl#ABM2H22 bread maker, when I plug it in it beeps & displase EEE. Whats wrong nothing else will work. TNX Dick
Richard Hawkins January 22nd, 2010 at 10:06 amLooking for the manual to the Breadman TR400. KNow where I can find it? Thanks.
Vicki January 24th, 2010 at 2:53 pmPILLSBURY AUTOMATIC BREAD AND DOUGH MAKER VX9000 – manual dessparately wanted!
claire January 29th, 2010 at 9:18 pmCan you help me get a copy or photocopy of it. Thank you, Claire
e-mail – RabbiGreen@comcast.net
does anyone know where I can get the manual for an Aroma Bread Machine model AFM-230? Thank you, dave
dave from conn February 3rd, 2010 at 4:33 amI love these instructions! Bread machines are amazing things.
Melissa June 3rd, 2010 at 1:15 pmI am looking for a manual for a Charlescraft Bread Maker that was given to me. Does anyone know where I might find a copy?
Lynn June 28th, 2010 at 11:19 amI need a manual for a Citizen J5740 bread maker, it’s not available
madge July 16th, 2010 at 3:56 pmfrom their website anymore.
I need a manual for a citizen J5765 where can i get one help?????
pat July 18th, 2010 at 8:58 amI need instructions for a West Bend 410772 I’s a small bread machine 1bl. bakes in 45 mins.
morag July 27th, 2010 at 4:57 pmwe have black & decker manual for b1600 email us at garyleelittle@gmail.com
g.l. August 21st, 2010 at 9:47 pmPlease don’t give broken/incomplete things to Goodwill. It only frustrates thrift store buyers when they buy junk.
Denise September 3rd, 2010 at 11:33 amHi~ I notice that in Step 3 you said “If you have a dual paddle/blade
Jo September 8th, 2010 at 1:46 pmmachine it is best to put them on so that they face away
from one another.” However, in the Zojirushi website, they say that the blades should be places so that they are facing the same direction. Which method would be most probable to NOT result in a lopsided bread? Thanks!
I am needing a manuel for a Chefmate TR-440. Does anyone know where I might find one?
Sue September 20th, 2010 at 4:36 pmLooking for the Manual for my West Bend 41045. Thanks for your help
Debbie October 3rd, 2010 at 6:51 amHi Debbie above
Paulette Tripp October 7th, 2010 at 7:38 amI have a westbend machine it is a large manual but i can print out whatever you need the most like the basic recipes or cycle instructions,
you can email me re above paulettetrippatgmaildotcom
Paulette Tripp October 7th, 2010 at 8:18 amPlease…if anyone has a manual for a decosonic 571 (or 570), please email it to me at suzanne@orden.net Thanks
Suzanne October 26th, 2010 at 4:19 pmI put the ingredients in the machine, set the Select and hit Start. E:02 appeared in the timer window–any suggestions. I have had the machine for years and used it with no problem (I cannot put my hands on the manual. Ev
ev claffy November 27th, 2010 at 11:04 ami have a citizen bread maker #j5741x and i have lost my book for it, all i need is the recipe for basic white bread . hope someone can help me thx Ziggs
ziggy December 7th, 2010 at 5:23 pmI have a Cuisinart bread machine. I have made 2 loaves thus far and have had the same ridiculous problem with both – the bread STICKS to the kneading paddle in the middle of the machine/pan. Any tips to remedy this? I have tried spraying the bottom with cooking spray, I have tried NOT spraying the pan – same results. Any help would be greatly appreciated! 🙂
Andrea January 3rd, 2011 at 1:17 pmHi,
I’ve been given an Elitech automatic breadmaking machine(RBM001)as a gift but it has no instructions. Can anyone help please.
Many thanks,
Margaret
Margaret Logan January 23rd, 2011 at 5:15 pmhttp://www.breadmachinedigest.com/beginners/archive-of-bread-machine-manuals.php For those looking for the Black & Decker B1600 manual.
joanne February 16th, 2011 at 4:24 pmI was given a new Philips Bread Machine HL 4230..I’m finding it difficult to find a manual for it (even on the internet)!
I am so glad that I have found this site, I may beable to follow the generic instructions. with today’s economy I’ve gone back to make everything by scratch.
I wsould appreciate anyone who can give me some info on this machine. I also, would really like the manual, too.
Thank you for your assistance.
Paula July 23rd, 2011 at 4:12 pmI was given a Red Star bread machine – seems to be in good condition – has
Joyce August 23rd, 2011 at 12:12 amall kinds of settings on it – Model TS-238A – of course no manual so if
any one has one or can send me in the right direction I sure would
appreciate it –
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Diane August 23rd, 2011 at 4:38 amI was give a DAK bread machine, model: FAB-100-3 and need a manual. I’m on dial-up so this search has turned in a nightmare. They must have a manual somewhere out there. Can someone help? vt2az17@aol.com
Annie August 24th, 2011 at 2:41 pmI have a Ginny’s Brand Dual 1lb loaf size bread machine that I have lost the manual for. Anybody have this manual? The model number is: GBR2W
Jaimie August 31st, 2011 at 6:31 pmI need a bread machine book fo rregal serial # 1777010 Model 6750
Barbara hockman September 29th, 2011 at 6:01 pmPlease send info. where I can buy one. the machine was given to me and it works great but not sure what settings I should use for the breads I want to make.
I just got a used Betty Crocker bake it easy 2, and it didn’t come with an instruction booklet. Anyone have one they’d be willing to share? Please??
Jennie October 7th, 2011 at 1:08 amFascinatingblog. Thank you for showing for us.
Madeline Johnson December 3rd, 2011 at 4:53 pmI am buying a used Sanyo SBM-10, have found the owner’s manual online which has only one recipe. The SBM-10 makes a small 1lb loaf, has the capacity of only 2 cups of flour – I want to find recipes for 1lb loafs, converting other recipes is confusing. The small loaf is ideal, and the machine is affordable and in good condition. If you have 1lb loaf recipe information, please email me at terrcot9@yahoo.com
Steve G. January 11th, 2012 at 1:59 pmI have a Citizen J5765 2 lb breadmaker. I have lost the kneading paddle. This is a discontinued model and not supported by the manufacturer. As best I can tell, the kneading paddles for all these machines are very similar. Can anyone recommend a way to find what machine’s replacement paddle will fit may machine. By the way I am in the country of Panama, not easy to check Best Buy.
Melinda June 12th, 2012 at 4:11 pmNecesito el manual de reparación de maquina Cuisinart Convention Breadmaker CBK-200
Rafael Ortiz June 3rd, 2013 at 9:42 amHi Does anyone know why my bread sinks in the final stage of baking top of the loaf sinks in does not affect theflavour. just does not look good
Huw Jones July 14th, 2014 at 7:29 amI have a Welbilt given to me. Has no manual or paddles. Serial number is 072831 is there a manual? I don’t know what model it is!
kim H. August 25th, 2014 at 12:12 amHi i have an old Nutritionist bread maker and when it stirs and knead the dough it bangs all around like it’s not locked into place, is there some way i can lock it in so it doesn’t make so much noise?
Erin A October 13th, 2014 at 10:25 amI am looking for a instruction manual for a Ultrex 14023 bread maker. Does anyone have one they would be willing to copy/scan/email or direct me to one on the web? I have tried the websites listed on this website but no Ultrex models are found.
Sherry Jones November 9th, 2014 at 3:06 pmForgot to add my email address re: the Ultrex 14023 breaker manual. It is sbjones4@gmail.com.
Sherry Jones November 9th, 2014 at 3:13 pmThanks
I have a regal bread machine and a west bend machine I need the manual for them please anyone can help me that would be nice of you thank you . I have never gotten to use it and I don’t know the first thing to do with them please help me learn how to use these machines . I have a big family and need to make bread and rolls or what ever else I can make with these machines that would be really nice of whom ever can help me out here. I don’t know where to get the items that I need to put into the machines what I mean is I don’t know what kinds of things to get to be able to use them . I am learning and would like to know more about making bread in my machines any one out there that can help me at all ???
penny November 12th, 2014 at 12:48 amthanks
yours truly
Penny